Conkeror list gone?

[Haines Brown]

While not directly related to emacs, I hope I'll get some sympathy here
regarding a browser that emulates emacs.

I find that I cannot subscribe to Conkeror mailing list. The link on the
Conkeror home page takes me to www.mozdev.org Mailing Lists, where it
says "No such list conkeror". When I try to subscribe by sending
commands to the list server, my mail bounces.

There's supposed to be a news group: gmane.comp.mozilla.conkeror, but
a search of newsgroups does not return that name. Also, the newsgroup
archive's last message was mid-February.

Anyone know what's up?

Haines Brown

[d***@gmail.com]

Post by Haines Brown
While not directly related to emacs, I hope I'll get some sympathy here
regarding a browser that emulates emacs.
I find that I cannot subscribe to Conkeror mailing list. The link on the
Conkeror home page takes me to www.mozdev.org Mailing Lists, where it
says "No such list conkeror". When I try to subscribe by sending
commands to the list server, my mail bounces.
There's supposed to be a news group: gmane.comp.mozilla.conkeror, but
a search of newsgroups does not return that name. Also, the newsgroup
archive's last message was mid-February.
Anyone know what's up?
Haines Brown

The wiki must have had a late update. Now the section mailing list contains:
"The address of the Conkeror mailing list is ***@librelist.com. To subscribe, just send a message to the list. This initial message will be dropped and you will receive a confirmation email. Once confirmed, you can send messages to the list. "

Love this browser! I've fooled around with text-based browsers such as w3m, but that step was just too big for someone of the gui-generation :)

It's also a great way to train any beginners' emacs-skill!
Perhaps even good enough to mention in any emacs tutorials...

Have fun,
Dieter

[Joe Fineman]

Post by Haines Brown
While not directly related to emacs, I hope I'll get some sympathy
here regarding a browser that emulates emacs.
I find that I cannot subscribe to Conkeror mailing list. The link on
the Conkeror home page takes me to www.mozdev.org Mailing Lists, where
it says "No such list conkeror". When I try to subscribe by sending
commands to the list server, my mail bounces.
There's supposed to be a news group: gmane.comp.mozilla.conkeror, but
a search of newsgroups does not return that name. Also, the newsgroup
archive's last message was mid-February.
Anyone know what's up?

This latest datum makes me wonder if Conkeror has been abandoned. Its
performance for me has gotten worse & worse, to the point where I am
thinking of retreating to Firefox. In particular, it often brings up
pages in such a state that I cannot get back out of them except by
restarting Conkeror.

[Emanuel Berg]

Post by Joe Fineman
This latest datum makes me wonder if Conkeror has
been abandoned. Its performance for me has gotten
worse & worse, to the point where I am thinking of
retreating to Firefox. In particular, it often
brings up pages in such a state that I cannot get
back out of them except by restarting Conkeror.

Interesting. Yesterday (I think), there was a
discussion on gnu.emacs.help on browsers, so I include
my message below. The reason for that discussion was
that apparently, in Emacs 24.4, there is a new
web-browser included, namely EWW.

To the OP, I'd recommend Emacs-w3m, it's by far the
best I saw in this department, though it will be
interesting to check out EWW, for sure.

There is no "GUI-generation", at least, there is no
compulsion to be part of it, if you desire not to. The
first computer I ever saw was a Mac Plus, with Finder,
the celebrated refinement of what they saw at Xerox
PARC, what (supposedly) started the whole
GUI-wave. While *now*, I don't even use X on my Debian
machine because I get dizzy (physically) aiming and
clicking on things, which does not happen in the shell
or with Emacs-type interfaces. So, regardless of
generation Emacs-w3m is great, and it is not that
difficult to master. You are not at a state of
deficiency just because your are used to GUIs.

Also, there is active work on the Emacs-w3m project,
which is great, of course.

Post by Joe Fineman
Is it a problem that Emacs-w3m is "3rd party"? I only
have good words for Emacs-w3m - it does its job and
it is so easy to configure, both keys (typically,
they use too long keys, especially for a non-type
setting), and colors (not their fault, because they
don't know what colors I use) - the rest is
programmable, as always...
I remember when there was Lynx, but I was put off
because I couldn't make it scroll one line at a time,
and they even said in the manual that this was
impossible. Then there were Links, but I didn't
experience it as near as solid/mature as Lynx (back
then, anyway). Now, I see in the Debian repositories
there are, apart from those two, and w3m, and
Emacs-w3m, also "Elinks", which sounds like Emacs +
Links, but the "E" is for "Enhanced", so it is a fork
of Links, I take it.
So it is a crowded marketplace.

[Joe Fineman]

To the OP, I'd recommend Emacs-w3m, it's by far the best I saw in this
department, though it will be interesting to check out EWW, for sure.

I keep w3m handy for answering simple questions, like "Is this really a
word?", without leaving Emacs. A lot of the time these days, however,
the graphics are needed.

[Emanuel Berg]

Post by Joe Fineman
I keep w3m handy for answering simple questions, like
"Is this really a word?", without leaving Emacs.

There are other ways of doing that in Emacs, though a
web-based solution with w3m is one of them, for
sure. There is a dictionary module, which I used for a
while but for some reason dropped. Also, you can use
ispell (or aspell, in Emacs and/or the shell) though
those dictionaries are perhaps not always complete. I
use a a shell function around aspell [1], but whenever
it says it is incorrectly spelled and I suspect it is a
word nonetheless, I use 'sdcv', the "StarDict Console
Version". I also wrote a script to add additional
dictionaries with a mini-tutorial to make sense of it
[2]. For example, you can add the jargon file. (Just
discussing different solutions. There are many ways to
do this.)

Post by Joe Fineman
A lot of the time these days, however, the graphics
are needed.

Yes, but if you are persistent in looking for ways
around it, you'll see that only in but a few cases you
are really bound to use it to do whatever you want to
do. But, if you have no *problem* using GUIs, perhaps
you have betters things to do anyway, of course. Just
saying it is possible to a very high degree if you want
it and are focused in your endeavour.

[1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zshrc (search
for 'spell ()')
[2] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/scripts/addict